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In true sports anime fashion, we can’t conclude a climactic battle without a flashback. Remember that time Subaru had to fight the mind-controlled Ginga? It’s kinda like that.
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Umm… Quick question:
Why was this posted in News while the others were all Posted in fansub, Releases, ViVid Strike! and Tagged ViVid Strike! ?
Just curious – and people monitoring one of the above might miss this.
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It’s a battle of flashbacks. Also Rinne lost the flashback battle since she commited her flashback before Fuka did. You don’t commit your reserves before the enemy Rinne.
It’s interesting in that they are able to cut loose so that fighting is more high powered, but still no ranged attacks and only punching and kicking.
We finally in episode TEN learn why Fuka is special fighter to be able to face Rinne after just four months of training. Well we don’t excatly learn, we are told the explanation for Fuka using attacks of her teammates.
They get Rinne to open up with her mountain of issues and ridiculous disconnected from the world reasoning so that is something.
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Having now watched the episode, I feel obliged to have at least one positive comment to make so…
Excellent work on the subtitles as always, team.
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4th Dimension said:
“I wouldn’t at all say Wolkenritter were OP in As. As you say in the first fight it was the cartrige system that gave them the edge, but without it even in the first fight Vita wasn’t showing that much if at all of an edge when going against Nanoha despite her greater experience. As such cartrige system was an excellent way to give an introduction to the opponents that set them up as a serious threat. Especially since at the beginning no one knows who they are and what do they want.
If anyone was annoying in As it was those twins that kept interfering. Now thir powers made sense, they largely specialized at binds and used them to a devastating effect and together with sleight of hand it made them even more mysterious and powerfull. I hated them for being so unexplained better than the rest and having a third agenda. And that is not to say anything about the rooftop scene, but that is a subjective thing.
The only truly OP entity in that was the “Book of Darkness” but that was to be expected and was built up towards throughout the season.
The cartrige system was also good because it further boosted the theme of Girl Gundam by making all these seemingly “magical girls” carry around magazines of catriges and allowed the artists to play around with gun cocking animations and sounds which made things better.”
I meant to reply to this earlier, but the rearrangement of the Forums confused me. Anyway: I agree that the Wolkenritter themselves were not Over Powered in A’s – though the fact that there were four of them as opposed to two (Fate and Arf – Precia largely stayed in the background) did up the conflict level a little. The Cartridge system meant that we saw them fighting at their standard level and their charged up level as time went on, rather than having to take someones word for it that these attacks are stronger than the ones we faced last season. CVK-792 upped the power level significantly, but in spurts. Users could only be OP a little bit of the time, and have to choose their moments well.
I won’t argue the Book being well and truly OP, that much was a given.
The Big Advantage possessed by the Wolkenritter was their experience – they had a lot more of it than our protagonists. Even so, I think that they were hampered by the fact that most of their experience was against far weaker opponents (not to mention the fact that their memories are imperfectly reconstructed, so they end up forgetting a lot of their experience over the centuries). Despite the ‘assistance’ of the Leise twins and Admiral Graham, they were forced to resort to stealth and misdirection – and I sincerely doubt that they would have succeeded if it were not for their shadowy benefactor. Of course, their inability to remember that thing that was bugging them cost them dearly as well.
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Well, having watched this episode, I have to:
1 Thank the team for the subs as always.
2 Sadly say that I won’t keep this awful series. This episode drove me up the wall. Rinne is a disaster and they’ve managed to make me want to see her die in an absolutely painful and slow way. It’s like mean spirited caricature of the first Nanoha series.
Jill is a bad joke. Her lines sound like some jilted lover or something. “Come back to meeeee!” Lols. I just can’t I’m sorry. A part of me is happy this wasn’t a hit, even a mild one, because it’s freaking awful.
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Sorry about that. Sometimes I’ve only got a few minutes to release before I have to be off elsewhere and this detail may slip. I often go back and fix the post categories but thanks for calling it out all the same.
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Honestly, I’m liking this show quite a bit now. Even if it’s very different from previous seasons (in some ways, at least), has a perhaps slightly too high level of brutal violence, and changes up or hides some parts of the universe as we know them (like the protection/hit point counters shown in ViVid), this is one of the very few shows I’ve seen where there is a depiction of intense bullying and the effect it can have on the mind of the bullied that I find realistic (as a person who was bullied heavily for a period that lasted 5 years).
Rinne just may end up being my favorite character of the season, if not the entire year, and certainly one of my favorites from this year, partly depending on how the fight ends in the next episode. (Even if I like her a lot, I don’t think she should win. She should lose, and then Fuuka should force her to accept someone else’s help for once (again), and talk about her problems/emotions honestly, instead of bottling them all up.)
The change that occurred with her personality and outlook on life is extremely similar to what I went through at the time I was bullied (though without a final traumatic event that would have released all the pent-up anger, frustration, etc. and finally stopped the bullying or at least changed the situation – the bullying I suffered through only ended when that part of my school-life finished and I moved to a higher grade). I might have even become like her/walked a similar path had a similar traumatic event happened while the bullying was going on. So I guess even if she and I have relatively different backgrounds and other details, I’ve walked a similar path as her during part of my life. Most of the things she’s going through mentally are things I’ve gone through/am still dealing with over/nearly a decade later. Never seen it depicted so accurately in any anime, or honestly other media/series, and I honestly love at least that part of the show.
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@ PrimeSonic: No Problem, it just threw me for a minute when I saw it.
Adrian said:
“It’s like mean spirited caricature of the first Nanoha series.”
I think that you are giving it entirely too much credit.
Eerika Norja said:
“this is one of the very few shows I’ve seen where there is a depiction of intense bullying and the effect it can have on the mind of the bullied that I find realistic (as a person who was bullied heavily for a period that lasted 5 years).”
As someone who was heavily bullied for years at primary School, only to move and be heavily bullied at secondary school (actually, it got worse) I do not find this depiction to be realistic or engaging. Your Mileage May very much Vary.
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@Carthienes As: Conversation.
The only characters from that season that infuriated me were the “twins”. I did not like them, how they interrupted the fights, their plan (which was pointlessly cruel, one thing was to freeze somebody forever, and another was to inflict emotional trauma on top of it all) or how they and their father got off with only a slap on the wrists. But I’m fully aware that I’m being subjective, and a lot of the shit I subjectively consider OP bullshit are reasonable for elite binding specialists.
I’ll continue defending the character of Rinne, which is an interesting subversion of the franchise tropes and goes for a bit too realistic approach. Unfortunately for her she is TOO good at bottling up her emotions so the only thing that shows is her contempt and rage and I don’t like her AT ALL for that. And making her this super powered powerhouse out of nowhere did not help her cause at all.
As I have discussed and agreed with others elsewhere the probably main mistake of this show is trying to fit this story of Fuka trying to reconnect and open up RInne into a tournament arc. This has prevented the main thing that was supposed to be the draw the interaction between the MC and the antagonist. This caused that shitshow in the middle where they spent EPISODES only focusing on Rinne and showing her curbstomping everybody with no care about how much she hurts people.
Now you might say, 4th Dimension but wasn’t that (making a troubled girl open up through fighting= the theme of Vivid too where they too participated in a tournament and you are not complaining about that. Yes but the key difference is that while Ein was a rival to Vivio (which they kind of ruined then by nerfing Vivio and introducing side characters considerably more interesting than her) she was also her teammate. Which allowed for them to talk and exchange ideas and on top of it all occasionally spar and fight without risking their performance in the tournament.
Another artifact of focus on Rinne and tournament is that Fuka got allmost no time to convince us she has any chance of standing up to Rinne. She became a secondary/background character in her own show. So now she after just 4 months, we are TOLD not shown that she is this amazing fighter that mixes styles.and can stand up to RInne.
Now this is personal, but I do not like AT ALL how drab and boring the fighting looked since it was reduced to fistfighting. It’s as if they were for some reason afraid of alienating the audience with the Vivid “vivid” style of fighting. I am not the greatest fan of Vivid and the stupid tournament style of story it brought in, but at least the fights were FUN to watch. This simply did not starch my itch.
Basically they tried doing Nanoha/Fate story from the first season, but messed up the ingredients IMO. They tried fitting it into their existing Vivid format that was not suitable for it. You either ditch the tournament and add a macguffin idea about which they will fight every couple of episodes so you can give them a reason for them to confront each other every couple of episodes (Jewel Seeds in the first season), or you don’t make her the outright antagonist. Than they added some darkness that was allways present in Nanoha but went a bit overboard and nullified flash and the color of the previous seasons that made the show interesting.
Allthough again I will say it is quite possible that I might not have as many issues with the show had I watched it in one sitting which would not allow me a week to nitpick every single episode.
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@4th Dimension
I did not have quite as much of a problem with the mysterious masked twins as you seem to have had. True, they were horribly irritating characters, but their reveal made so much sense of the plot. To put it another way, knowing what was coming there was so much in the story that made more sense or took on a double meaning on the second watch through. They added an interesting layer of depth to the story, regardless of what you might think of the characters themselves.
What I liked best about them is the way they enabled A’s to dodge the classic power creep problem: rather than just introduce a new OP Bad Guy who we are told is even more OP than the last OP bad guy and having the Good Guys Power Up to keep the fights the same, A’s introduced a third part that was playing both sides of the conflict. By keeping the protagonists and antagonists both off-balance with an inexplicable factor that was beyond the control of either, we got an actual story rather than a short series of flashy battles. Protagonist and Antagonist alike could not control the situation, not due to raw power, but a lack of understanding, and could only strive for their objectives and hope for the best. Until Chrono joined the dots, that is.
I’m not saying they were wonderful characters (they’re not); but I much prefer the way they handled things than the standard fallback of “This Bad Guy’s Mooks are twice as strong as the Big Bad you beat last Season!” that seems so common in other series.
Speaking of… That seems to be more or less the approach of Vivid Strike. Rinne and Fuuka are far stronger than the characters we were shown in Vivid (and we’ve just been told that Fuuka has the magic power to master any martial arts move almost instantly as well…). This turns into a Zero-sum equation – we are told the characters are stronger, but we don’t see it. The only result is dull, tedious fisticuffs spun out over multiple episodes.
In summary, then: A’s was something I was happy to watch despite my personal feelings on the twins – and the fact that you care enough to note that they got off too lightly means that they can’t have been that bad as characters. Strike, on the other hand, is something I am enduring for nostalgia’s sake alone.
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Oh I agree that there was a lot of smart things tied to them. I liked how they introduce them in such a way that we, like the crew of Artha think it’s one guy that can seemingly do the impossible (transfer from one side of dimensional space to another in an impossibly short time), when in fact it’s just two binding experts using the same mask.
And I think I know why they wanted to trigger Hayate the way they did it. They wanted to put Chrono, as the Enforcer on the ground in such a position where his duties towards Nanoha and Fate and his desire to have revenge for what happened to his father, to outweigh his idealism. Otherwise Nanoha and Fate might have been able to talk Chrono out of Durandel being used on Hayate, and gone for a more idealistic but foolish plan which would have wasted time and in the end the defecne program would end Earth.
Still that does not make them any less annoying.
Yeah I don’t like either how B and A level <15 fighters are like crawling out of woodwork suddenly.
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B and A? Episode 11 explicitly has them punching through the protection system on a training ground designed to contain S+ ranked Mages (and also stated to have been upgraded for this fight). Apparently, when the SS Living Lost Logia lets loose she still can not unleash the same degree of Raw Power as Rinne.
Assuming, of course, that this is not a different reality entirely.
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Well I was being generous to the writers about the ranks.
Rinne doesn’t need to be of such high rank. The trouble with Rinne IMO is that unlike a lot of other competitors due to relying to her brute body strength she does mass damage which gets around the protection more easily. Similar problem Sig has.
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Given that the system is designed to protect against such little inconveniences as flying through the air and smashing into walls, I don’t buy the ‘Mass-Based Strike” theory. Also, Sieglinde was using Erasers – high powered Magical (not Physical) attacks that are so dense they annihilate anything in their path – defence systems included.
I still get the feeling that Strike is trying very hard to pretend to be something that it is not. not to mention that Brandon Sanderson would have either a field day or a nervous breakdown judging it against his laws.
If Vivid Strike were not tied to the Nanoha setting, I would rate it much more highly – but I definitely would not have kept up with it so far. I do not think that trying to watch it all through in one sitting would help, either – there is no way I could stomach watching all this in one sitting (Which makes me glad I didn’t wait for the last one and set the time aside).
Nitpicking on these forums is proving far more entertaining than Vivid Strike – at least for me.
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Then I have no way of explaining that attack other than that they were stikcing to the rule of cool of showing how for the first time she is really putting her back into her strikes and as such they are MORE powerful than ever.
As if she ever lacked for power.
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I wonder what would more expert people in fandom, like over on animesuki maybe say about this?!?
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Probably that Strike is not keeping to it’s own rules, much less those of the setting It has purloined.
Looking around the internet, I am starting to see positive reviews of the more recent episodes, but none of them even mention how it ties into the rest of the Nanoha setting. None of the positive ones, that is.
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I think there are people that did not watch or even don’t care/remmber the previous seasons. So for them this is fine. And even I would say that the previous two episodes would have been fine had they not arrived as part of Nanoha or after the previous season’s worth of small and big disappointments. They are not a masterpiece, but the flow is not that terrible and they vaguely remind people of first season.
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Oh, there are definitely people who admit to not having watched the previous seasons and liking this – I was just trying to make the point that this would be better without the pretence of being part of the Nanoha setting.
For me, Episodes 10 & 11 were dull, tedious and horribly repetitive – Whilst Force left me with the feeling of chanting for a fight, this left me with a dull sense of “Are we nearly there yet?”
I could stand to watch these two episodes had they come without the baggage of The rest of the season, but I don’t think I could bring myself to rewatch them. At least they were not so horrendously offputting as some of the previous episodes. Apart from the Glaring Internal Inconsistencies – it’s one thing to not quite match with something hinted at in the first season (12 years ago!), quite another to contradict yourself in the same episode.
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I agree, especially with the dullness. Sure they were able to cut loose, but if you ask me to summarize the fight I would not be able to do it and not descend into “And then Fuka hit Rinne really hard and Rinne went down. And then Rinne hit Fuka really hard and Fuka went down. And then Fuka hit Rinne really hard …” etc. etc ad nauseum.
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